Monday, July 28, 2014

Were Lennon and McCartney "geniuses" or just a case of two heads better than one?



I have a curious way of determining my “favorite” music acts: Whoever has the most hits I like. It really doesn’t matter what their critical acclaim level is. It just so happens, of course, that it would be the Beatles who are my “favorite” musical act. For me, beginning with A Hard Day’s Night, virtually every song the Beatles recorded was a pop-rock confection. And let’s make no mistake—the Beatles were the greatest pop recording act of the rock era; the Rolling Stones are probably the greatest rock & roll act, even more so than Elvis Presley or Chuck Berry. 

When one examines the Beatles' catalogue, one notices an obvious change in songwriting acumen, from the typical boy-girl relational exposition, to more nuanced (and in John Lennon’s case, personal and political) subject matter and melodies, beginning with Rubber Soul. Another obvious difference in their two distinct periods was that in the first, Lennon was the lead singer on the majority of their hits; at the time he was the oldest and most forceful member—the “leader” of the band. His style of songwriting in the early years also fit in with the typical British Invasion hit-making of the time. 

There is no doubt that Lennon and Paul McCartney in the early years contributed “suggestions” to improve each other’s songs, but in the second half of the Beatles career it was clear that when they largely composed their own individual songs, McCartney’s more straightforward pop style predominated on the single releases. Lennon’s only post-1966 lead vocal on a Beatles’ No.1 hit was 1967’s “All You Need is Love,” which of course is a “pop” song (I'm one of those who thinks that Harrison's "Something" trumped "Come Together"). This might have due to the fact that Lennon was the more “creative” Beatle lyrically, but McCartney was the most inventive musically. 

This brings me to the Atlantic Monthly’s recent cover story on “genius,” which featured Lennon and McCartney on the cover, suggesting that their two minds equated to “genius.” The piece wasn’t very enlightening in establishing this thesis, although one assumes that there was a meeting of the minds in regard to their comparative strengths that cancelled out their weaknesses. The word “genius” is often used to describe people who have superior powers of memory, to be absorb and recall information. Of course this means little unless it is put to use, and having a focused, imaginative mind helps. 

However, in regard to their alleged “genius,” what Lennon brought to the table in their relationship was the aggressiveness and rebellion of the rock-and-roll spirit, while Paul was sweetness and “order.” But rather than a chaotic, clashing mishmash, they managed to find a certain “common ground” that reflected their essential “pop” sensibilities, despite the fact that Lennon often disparaged the term.

Their solo careers, however, make a weak case to call them “geniuses” as individuals, although McCartney still had a knack for writing catchy melodies, although no more so than, say, David Gates of the soft-rock group Bread, or Barry Gibb of the Bee Gees; he likely needed Lennon to “toughen” him up. Lennon, on the other hand, seemed to run out of ideas after his second “official” solo album, Imagine—perhaps due to the fact that he was actually a rather lazy musician and needed McCartney to “push” him. Today, while the Beatles continue to command the respect even of those who are completely ignorant of their music (because of their “reputation”), one notices that very few of their songs that have been covered actually became significant hits. The only cover of a Beatles song (not including “World Without Love” by Peter and Gordon, which the Beatles never recorded themselves), that hit number one was Elton John’s version of “Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.” 

That begs the question, how “great” were the Beatles, and were they really “geniuses.” And more to point, what was producer George Martin’s role in making Lennon and McCartney “great”? Many people imagine being “rock stars,” and few actually accomplish true “star” status. Elvis Presley was one of the “giants” of rock and roll, but he didn’t write a single song and wasn’t a notable instrumentalist. But he had a certain “style” and swagger that epitomized the form. Does that make him  a “genius”? Hardly. How about Bob Dylan? In Marin Scorsese’s documentary Don’t Look Back, Joan Baez recalls marveling at some lyrics Dylan had just written and asking him what they meant; Dylan shrugged and replied “I don’t know where this shit comes from.”

Perhaps some manner of “genius” is so “innate” that it is inexplicable. You simply have the capacity to do something that most people are simply not “wired” to do. Dylan certainly could do things that were at the time and are still unique with song lyrics. It is easy to label such “wiring” as “genius.” On the other hand, how do you explain the superior musical accomplishments of Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder, both of whom were blind? Can they be called “geniuses” because they could do what even people with sight are unable to do?

Sometimes being a labeled a “genius” is a stroke of genius itself, being a matter of time, place and circumstance. That is certainly the case of the Beatles. Lennon’s personality as a young man could easily have turned him into a common thug, good at little more than alienating friends and enemies alike. McCartney might have just remained a Liverpool homeboy, using his charm to create a modest middle-class existence. George Harrison and Richard Starkey were just a couple of ordinary blokes on the lower-end of the social scale, having missed their good fortune of being sidemen in the greatest pop band in history. No one would be talking about “genius” then.

As it turned out, as solo artists McCartney had the most musical acumen of all of them. Lennon could always play with words (not always sensibly), but his melodies were simple two-note exercises (or just one note, such as “Instant Karma”), while McCartney was a little more musically “creative”; even on slightly embarrassing fluff like “Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey,” he showed that he was rarely without ideas of how to turn trivial ideas into hits, because of a knack for the memorable melody or hook. Nevertheless, McCartney still wasn’t regarded as “substantial” as Lennon, just a purveyor of inoffensive tunes. 

So it was that neither achieved the kind of critical acclaim as solo artists as they did as together with the Beatles. They were no longer “competing” with each to write a better or just as good a song as the other, so the “motivation” was less than it had been; McCartney as much as admitted that he didn’t like those in his band Wings to “suggest” improvements to his songs. Many great songwriting teams—like Mick Jagger/Keith Richards, Elton John/Bernie Taupin and the Brill Building duos—generally featured one contributor who focused on lyrics, and the other at composing music. Lennon and McCartney were never that kind of combination, but with the Beatles they did nevertheless listen to and incorporate improvements to each other’s songs. When they went solo, they didn’t listen to anyone (except maybe John with Yoko).

Besides Dylan, Paul Simon was one of the few solo songwriters whose work is considered “classic.” One may consider the fact that if all the songs that can be solely credited to Lennon or McCartney during their reign with the Beatles and separated into a “solo” career, would their critical reputation still hold, provided all other circumstances were in play? Probably not. McCartney would likely be considered no more “substantial” than, say, Tommy James, and Lennon would in the first instance be seen as not dissimilar to any other of a string of “British Invasion” stars, to eventually turn into a good, but not great, imitator of Dylan. 

Nevertheless, it is an established fact that hundreds of millions of admirers and fans everywhere embraced the Beatles and their music as no other in the rock and roll era, and some would say that not even Elvis Presley can make that claim. And the Beatles were special because they composed all of those number one hits, and it was their fresh creativity and willingness to experiment with new musical ideas that turned rock and roll into an “art” form. Nevertheless, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the Beatles by themselves could never have reached those heights or even imagined them without the help of George Martin, their producer from the very beginning. There are those who suggest that it was “chaos” that reigned without the professional touch of Martin, who is in fact never mentioned in the Atlantic story. 

Neither Lennon or McCartney could write musical notation (although McCartney learned to later), and the songs were usually just scraps of ideas in which Martin would suggest improvements, while the pair would experiment with different riffs until  a composition was sufficiently “’whole” to commit to tape. This was particularly true at the start, when Lennon and McCartney were still writing typical pop-rock songs common to other British Invasion groups, their principle focus that of creating singles for radio play, and mostly fill-in for albums—although the Beatles’ “filler” tended to be of higher quality that most.

Later, Martin was a facilitator of their ideas, and his extensive experience with other genres (including comedy records) was invaluable to the group. In the book All You Need is Ears, Martin is quoted: "On the one hand, the increasing sophistication of the records meant that I was having a greater and greater influence on the music,” although he admitted that the Beatles took more control of the direction the music was taking.

Martin’s vital contribution to the Beatles’ success cannot be overstated—and it is usually understated. When the Beatles went off on their own for the first and last time in the studio, the infamous Let it Be sessions was the result. The filmed version of the sessions shows a group in throws of break-up, constant arguing, McCartney “directing” a disinterested Lennon and an irritated Harrison. Lennon would later call the sessions “badly recorded shit” that was recorded with “bad feeling.” Although “purists”—including McCartney—disliked Phil Spector’s reworking of the session tapes into a whole album, the fact is that as the dreadful Let it Be-Naked album amply shows, Spector in fact accomplished a miracle in making it listenable. A few months after this mishap, McCartney contacted Martin to produce them again like he had in the past, and these sessions—Abbey Road— turned out to be the “swan song” worthy of the Beatles.

In the exhaustive “The Beatles’ Recording Sessions,” Mark Lewisohn wrote that “George Martin was, as ever, a vital ingredient in the process, always innovative himself, a tireless seeker of new sounds and willing translator of the Beatles’ frequently vague requirements.” Curiously, the Beatle’s rarely acknowledged Martin’s role in shaping their music, and although McCartney saw fit to enlist Martin’s services for his last commercial successes, Tug of War and Pipes of Peace—Martin could be contradictory in his own assessments. 

Martin himself described Lennon and McCartney as “geniuses” as songwriters, at least later on when they stopped touring and spent more time in the studio, beginning with Sergeant Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band. But in a 1999 interview with the Irish Times, he asserted that his job was to “put a frame around” a song, such as “a rhythm section to do this or that and so on,” as well as deciding what “the thing should sound like, and then shape it in the studio. (The producer) may also be an arranger, in which case he may write the necessary parts”—in fact the producer “shapes the whole lot. It’s like being the director of a film.” This sounds quite a bit more of a contribution than generally acknowledged. 

Had the Beatles started out with a less competent producer who didn’t bring with him a wealth of experience and creative ideas of his own, would the Beatles be what they would become? Early success brought them confidence in their abilities to experiment and create, and the record company backing to do what they wanted. But it is also clear that without Martin’s guiding hand and musical gifts, the Beatles would have gone in a different direction. They might have remained together as long as their true competitor, the Rolling Stones, but only because they didn’t experience the kind of suffocating adulation that prevented them from leading real lives. Their “genius” lasted only so long as they could stand being with each other.

26 comments:

  1. George Martin Says In This book his biography,All You Need is Ears,There's No Doubt Lennon & McCartney Were good Musicians,They Had Good Musical Brains & The Brain Is Where Music Originates,It Has Nothing To Do With Your Fingers,As It Happened They Could All Play Their Own Instruments Very Well,And that Paul is an excellent music all- arounder, probably the best bass guitar-player there is, a brilliant guitarist,a first class drummer and a competent piano player.




    George Martin said in The Beatles early days he tried to learn to play the guitar in order to have a better musical communication between him and The Beatles,but he couldn't learn it and gave it up,but he says that John and Paul learned to play the piano far more quickly than he was able to master their instrument.



    https://books.google.com/books?id=4Yoio9MewhcC&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=GEorge+Martin+There%27s+No+doubt+that+Lennon+and+Mccartney+were+good+musicians&source=bl&ots=nYFEf9PDYw&sig=T9fGcaDl7OBiOLyZGZa9W1f1fDY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjOt83bzpPWAhXBzlQKHWB5CAIQ6AEISTAF#v=onepage&q=GEorge%20Martin%20There's%20No%20doubt%20that%20Lennon%20and%20Mccartney%20were%20good%20musicians&f=false




    All You Need Is Ears
    books.google.com


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  2. Around 2003 I found an online interview with George Martin and he said that even though he has produced many other music artists and he has never had the same success before or after producing The Beatles,he has never known or worked with anyone as brilliant as The Beatles. He was also interviews in the 1990's on a Breakfast With The Beatles show on a local rock station,and he said that John Lennon and Paul McCartney were incredibly talented people and he said it like he still couldn't believe it. And he also said they both were extraordinarily talented song writers and great singers.








    And in the excellent thorough book by Mark Lewisohn,The Beatles Recording Sessions,George Martin,and so many of The Beatles tape operators and recording engineers are interviewed,(and in the beginning there is a great 1987 interview with Paul McCartney) and they describe in detail how truly innovative, brilliant and creative especially John and Paul were in their amazing 8 year recording career. And there is a big black and white picture of Mick Jagger sitting in between John and Paul in the recording console room listening to the playback of the songs from The Beatles Revolver album.







    And my cousin who was born in 1968 who used to be a lawyer,and his brother born in 62 who is still a lawyer,and their sister born in 64,their oldest brother born in 60,and their parents have always been Beatles fans. My cousin born in 68,went to England around 1991 and he told me that he was at a British Museum where the works of Shakespere,Dickens,Wodsworth and Keats,Lennon and McCartney's lyrics are right in the same case. And he said the majority of visitors always said,forget the Shakespeare etc,lets go over to the Lennon and McCartney lyrics.







    When I once asked him,if he still liked The Beatles he said,best band there ever was.My step cousin born in 1958,said they probably were the greatest band ever.He saw Paul McCartney and Wings in May 1976 in concert when he was 18 and he said it was a great show.

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  3. From Me To You,and especially She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand were praised by some music critics even from the beginning,like William Mann of The London Times in December 1963 pointed out their interesting unusual chords and arrangements and London Times music critic Richard Buckle also in late 1963 called John and Paul the greatest composers since Beethoven after they wrote the music for a play Mods and Rockers.





    Bob Dylan ,Roger McGuinn of The Byrds as early as 1963 and 1964 pointed out that even in early Beatles songs like She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand had unusual and interesting chords and they arranged them.Roger also has said that The Beatles unusually used folk rock chords in their rock n roll music and that they invented folk rock without even realizing it.





    Here in this article about The Beatles chords,Bob Dylan is quoted saying what he thought in 1964 about The early Beatles music,he said that they were doing things nobody was doing and that their chords were outrageous,just outrageous and their harmonies made it all valid.




    http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/VOLUME03/Words_and_chords.shtml





    Here in Rolling Stone Magazine's 100 Greatest Song Writers Bob Dylan is number 1,Paul McCartney is number 2, and John Lennon is number 3, Bob Dylan is quoted about a car trip when he heard a lot of Beatles songs on the radio, he said they were doing things and that he knew they were pointing the direction where music had to go.





    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-songwriters#john-lennon






    Roger McGuinn has said that he started to play a 12 string guitar after he saw and heard George Harrison playing in in the A Hard Day's Night movie.Roger also said that The Beatles unusually wrote folk rock chords in their rock n roll music and he said that they invented folk rock without even realizing it.





    And John and Paul wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits the rock n roll song, I Wanna Be Your Man in late 1963 right in front of them. And Keith Richards and Mick Jagger were impressed and said wow,how can you write a song just like that and it inspired them to start writing their own songs.






    John Lennon and Paul McCartney were such amazingly talented singer song writers that they were already writing hit songs for other artists as early as 1963 when their own song writing success was getting off the ground,besides The Rolling Stones,they also wrote hit songs in 1963 for Billy J.Kramer and The Dakatos,Celia Black,and Peter and Gordon etc.







    Paul wrote his first song at age 14 and was playing guitar,John wrote heavy deep poetry but didn't start writing songs until he met Paul and was impressed that he wrote his own songs,and he too started to write his own songs at age 16,and they wrote together and never stopped from then on. Paul wrote the very pretty song I'll Follow The Sun at only 16.Even when The Beatles first came to America in February 1964 many people said how rare it was for *adult* rock n roll bands and solo artists to write their own songs,and Paul and John were already doing this as teenagers in the mid 1950's.







    And even though I wasn't born yet in 1963 I know what type of music was popular on the radio,non rock n roll songs like Bobby Vinton,The Four Seasons,Bobby Darin and The Beach Boys surfing hits,The early Beatles songs like She Loves You, I Want To Hold Your Hand and I Saw Her Standing there etc were hard rock for 1963 and ahead of their time.


    And it's not really true that The Beatles were more of a ''pop'' band but The Rolling Stones were more of a rock and roll band,as a guy said in the early 2000's on a message board,when someone also said this,He said he was so sick and tired of this cr*p that The Beatles were more of a pop band and The Rolling Stones were more of a rock and roll band,he said all of the great rock songs The Beatles wrote were just fake and pretend right?

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  4. This is a great 2011 article about Goldmine Magazine's readers poll voted The Beatles The Best Overall, The Song Writing Team Of Lennon and McCartney




    And the author of this article Gillian Gaar says what I have always said and pointed out,that as early as December 1963 music critic of The London Times William Mann called John Lennon and Paul McCartney the outstanding English composers of 1963 and he analysed and praised the clever,unusual complex chords they wrote even in their early songs like She Loves you etc. And In this article it also says the the music critic of The Sunday London Times ( Hunter Davies says in his great 1968 only authorized Beatles biography called,The Beatles which he updated several times that it was classical music critic Richard Buckle) who called John and Paul the 2 greatest composers since Beethoven after they composed music for a play,Mods and Rockers.





    Gillian Garr also says what I have always said, that John Lennon and Paul McCartney wrote songs at such a prodigious rate in 1963 and 1964 that they supplied numerous other artists with hit songs as well as looking after the interests of their own group. He doesn't mention the music artists they wrote for in 1963,Billy J.Kramer and The Dakotas, Celia Black,Peter and Gordon and the rock n roll song I Wanna Be Your Man for The Rolling Stones which became one of their first hits.






    And John and Paul wrote it right in front of them and Mick Jagger and Keith Richards were really impressed that they could just write a song just like that,and it inspired them to start writing their own songs and both bands became good friends from then on and Mick Jagger was at 4 Beatles recording sessions and Keith Richards was at 2 of them with him.Mick Jagger also went on the train with The Beatles to Bangor Wales in August 1967 to meet the Maharishi to meditate for the first time and he was with them there when they got the call that their manager Brian Epstein was dead.







    In Paul McCartney's biography,Many Years From Now Mick Jagger's girlfriend from the 1960's says that she and Mick would often go over to Paul's house and hang out in his music room,she said they always went to him,because he was Paul McCartney and she said that Mick was really intimidated by Paul but that Paul was completely oblivious to this.





    Paul says that he turned Mick Jagger on to pot in his music room,and he said which is funny because most people would think it was the other way around.





    http://www.goldminemag.com/features/best-overall-the-beatles






    A Definitive List of The Musicians Who Influenced Our Lives The Most.The Beatles are number 1 in 2017. And they are the only music artists in the 1,000's.This is from research data The All Music Guide complied.







    A definitive list of the musicians who influenced our lives most.




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    The Beatles have the most scrobbles of over 500 million on Last FM and this how much their songs are recommended and listened to and there are members of all ages including in their teens and 20's from all over the world on here. Back when Last FM used to have fan groups,the most popular of the several beatles fan groups had over 3000 members more male than female from all over the world and the average age was 22, The Rolling Stones fan group only had almost a 100.




    The Beatles music, videos, stats, and photos | Last.fm




    The Beatles music, videos, stats, and photos Last.fm





    Popularity rank based on listeners this week.

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    Rate Your Music Top 1000 Rock Artists Queen is number 75,The Beatles are so rightfully number 1.























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  5. Top 1000 Rock Artists

    Rate Your Music Top Artists out of over 3,000 Queen is number 141 but The Beatles are once again so rightfully number 1.




    Top Artists




    https://rateyourmusic.com/list/noname219/top-artists-3/




    https://rateyourmusic.com/list/cathcacr/the_100_greatest_artists_according_to_rateyourmusic_com/





    And on the site Digital Dreamdoor where many musicians are members The Beatles are the number 1 Greatest Rock Artist Queen is number 27.





    On their 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists Paul McCartney has been number 8 for many years now, John Deacon is number 32.John Paul Jones is number 21,and Bill Wyman is number 95.





    http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_bassguitar.html





    The Beatles are also # i on Digital Dreamdoor's 100 greatest Rock artists list,




    https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artistsddd.html




    Out over 100 Greatest Rock Drummers Ringo Star is number 13, Roger Taylor is number 31.




    http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_drummers.html



    On The 100 Greatest Guitarists List (which is actually over 200) George Harrison is number 31 keith Richards is number 30.




    https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_newguitar.html




    Out of 200 Greatest Rock Song Writers John Lennon and Paul McCartney are of course number 1 members of Queen are number 47.




    http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_songwriters.html

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  6. The Rolling Stones also wrote quite a few soft sentimental pop kind of songs,Lady Jane,As Tears Go By,Ruby Tuesday,Angie,Wild Horses,Waiting On A Friend,Happy etc and the 2 dreadful disco imitations,Miss You and Emotional Rescue. At least when Paul McCartney did a disco like song,Good Night tonight it was good interesting sounding music.









    I do really like some Rolling Stones songs though,but the songs i like the radio rarely ever play,like street Fighting Man,Monkey Man,Can't You Hear Me Knocking,Heart of Stone which I think is one of their best early songs,Let It Bleed and Happy which is a good but not great pop rock song.

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  7. Here are The Rolling Stones live in 1963 and 1964 they don't sound better or even as good as The Beatles live then.They aren't even rocking.And on the Rolling Stones fan site,IORR a fan even said that up until 1966 The Beatles were the better live band and he said The Rolling Stones didn't become a great live band until 1969 and he linked to a 1967 Rolling Stones concert performance and said it's awful.





    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV62UcqbcQA




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfj1O_fApvA





    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV241mctbg0




    Here is The Rolling Stones in 1963 performing the cover Roll Over Beethoven.





    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64GbValI_To


    Here are The Beatles also performing Roll Over Beethoven in 1964,and clearly their version is more rocking and better!





    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rLci6tPOtY




    The Beatles - Roll Over Beethoven (with Jimmy Nicol) - YouTube




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  8. In 1964 The Rolling Stones wrote and recorded a Rice Krispies TV commercial jingle not something cool like a cigarette ad and they also had teen girls screaming at their early concerts.





    I'm pretty certain The Beatles never wrote and recorded a jingle for a cereal TV commercial.But it's obvious that The Rolling Stones did this for the same reasons The Beatles went along with the fake cleaned up image their manager Brian Epstein created,to get their foot in the door after working their a*ses off playing for years.





    http://www.snopes.com/the-rolling-stones-rice-krispies-jingle/






    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZBmhEMFdl0

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  10. Keith Richards holds an I Love The Beatles Sign in 2016


    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d2/2e/2d/d22e2ddd2a45b388abc093fc2775844a.jpg

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  11. In this 2008 interview asking Keith Richards who the five greatest bands ever are besides The Rolling Stones,he said obviously he put The Beatles in there. This was 6 years of course before he ridiculously criticized The Beatles brilliant Sgt.Pepper album that The Rolling Stones tried but failed to copy and equal.





    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNKckhYqNBk






    Living Legends - Rolling Stones: Best Bands
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  12. Keith also says in this video interview,that he's not going to say The Who or Led Zeppelin because he said he's be lying,because they are not his favorites,he has said that he doesn't like Led Zeppelin and he's *so right*!

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  13. The early Beatles lyrics were more simple but a lot of their early music was actually much more complex. Just one of many examples I always loved this very early John song written and recorded in 1962 Ask Me Why.




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ex-epsPWo





    I have always loved this great beautiful song written by John,with such typical beautiful melodies and harmonies John and Paul usually wrote,and John's usual beautiful singing voice.And this was amazingly recorded in 1962 on only two track tape with such limited,primitive recording technology but it of course still sounds great.Except I hate mono it's limited sounding and only makes their already limited recording technology sound even more limited.I tried to find the stereo version of this song on youtube but I couldn't find it.






    Here university of Pennsylvania ( 1 of the top ivy league universities in the US) graduate musicologist Alan W.Pollack who did an 11 year extensive analysis of every one of the 200 Beatles songs,analyzes Ask Me Why and explains that it's structurally complex.Here is Alan's analysis of Paul McCartney's 1963 very good song All My Loving and he describes it as having a lot of complex chords and other unusual musical things.Many people have pointed out on music and Beatles fan site forums that John Lennon played great,difficult fast rhythm guitar triplets,well it turns out John( and George and Paul on bass) was playing a whole bunch of complex chords this fast and great!





    http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/aml.shtml




    http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/amw.shtml






    Alan W. Pollack's Notes on "Ask Me Why" - ICCE WWW Info ...





    www.icce.rug.nl









    This is just about the fussiest, most complicated form we've yet seen. You can sort of parse it as a mutant version of the two-bridge model, but what is most notable ... Here is Alan's whole Beatles song analysis series







    http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/awp-notes_on.shtml






    Alan W. Pollack's Notes on ... Series - ICCE WWW






    Info ... www.icce.rug.nl In 1989 the American musicologist Alan W. Pollack started to analyze the songs of the Beatles. He published his first results on internet. In 1991 — after he had ...

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  14. Here is an interview with University of Pennsylvania graduate musicologist Alan Pollack who did an 11 year study of all 200 Beatles songs, here he says The Beatles specifically John and Paul wrote what he calls chord anomalies which are very clever complex unusual chords including in their early music, and he said about these chord anomalies in their early music that people tend to underrate the first half of their catalog in this respect.






    http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/interview.shtml






    Here is Alan's entire Beatles songs analysis






    http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/awp-notes_on.shtml

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  15. The Beatles - I'm Down


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    I'm Down Ed Sullivan Theater CBS Studio 50 August 14, 1965






    Here is their even harder rocking performance at Shea Stadium on August 15,1965 than they did on their record version of Paul's I'm Down. And they did what a great rock n roll band would do,they ended this rock n roll concert with this rocking song.




    https://vimeo.com/146526352





    The Beatles - I'm Down Live At Shea Stadium - Aug 15th, 1965




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    This is "The Beatles - I'm Down Live At Shea Stadium - Aug 15th, 1965" by Isaac on Vimeo, the home for high quality videos and the people who love them.







    Here they performed a rocking cover of Dizzy Miss Lizzy with John's greatrock vocal,at the same She Stadium concert.




    https://vimeo.com/146525847






    The Beatles - Dizzy Miss Lizzy Live At Shea Stadium - Aug 15th, 1965



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    This is "The Beatles - Dizzy Miss Lizzy Live At Shea Stadium - Aug 15th, 1965" by Isaac on Vimeo, the home for high quality videos and the people who love…


    Here is another great rocking Beatles performance of the cover Twist and Shout in June 1964 in Melbourne Australia




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJ7nzGX63A







    The Beatles Twist And Shout Live HD



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    The Beatles Twist And Shout Live HD 720p HD «Twist and Shout» es una canción compuesta por Phil Medley y Bert Russell. Fue titulada originalmente como «Shake...



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8jc0Ng5ZQ4







    Beatles -- Live -- Washington DC Concert [ film highlights! -- improved audio ]



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    There's a new Beatles movie disc, reduced on Amazon.



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    The latest Beatles movie disc is reduced on Amazon.




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  16. This very good London Times review of the remastered The Beatles Live at The Hollywood Bowl album says it’s remarkable that The Beatles played as well as they did given that they couldn’t hear a thing beyond the screaming of 17,500 teenage girls.They should have also mentioned the poor very primitive and limited sound systems of the time and no feedback monitors so they also couldn’t hear themselves singing and playing but the amazingly sang and played great and in sync with each other anyway.It says that they were a lean and vibrant rock n roll band honed to perfection after toughing it out with five sets a night in rough Hamburg nightclubs.






    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pop-the-beatles-live-at-the-hollywood-bowl-f9pxrkmzg



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  17. I have read all of the many almost all 5 star amazon.com reviews of the remastered amazon.com best seller,The Beatles Live At The Hollywood Bowl and many people are saying what I and other fans have said elsewhere,that given how limited and primitive sound systems of the time were,and they had no feedback monitors so they couldn't even hear themselves singing and playing,they played and sounded amazingly good! I heard the small samples on amazon.com,and what struck me is how typically great and prominent Paul's bass playing is,someone said he's playing it like a lead instrument.Also an amazon.com reviewer said how underrated John's rhythm guitar playing is and how George Harrison's guitar playing is very good and how great Ringo's drumming is.

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    Here on Paul McCartney.com quite a few members are saying that it's amazing and incredible that The Beatles played so great and sang so great with such primitive sound systems at the time and no feedback monitors so they couldn't even hear themselves singing and playing.One member said they were without a doubt the greatest live rock band ever!






    http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=91901&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45






    Many are saying the same things on this music forum including how great and hard rocking of a live band The Beatles really were.










    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/beatles-live-at-the-hollywood-bowl-out-on-cd-9-9-16-vinyl-on-11-18-16.567252/page-141






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    Two complete listens in and I'm quite happy. I'm also a bit surprised to find out that I may be the world's biggest fan of the original album (I guess...










    This guy says at the end of his 5 star great review which he titled,Miraculous! of the UK edition of The Beatles Live At The Hollywood Bowl, that The Beatles showed who the real best Rock and Roll band in the world was.







    https://www.amazon.com/review/R2P4H81F4NEM4Q?_encoding=UTF8&ASIN=B003FPTDFA&cdERR=Cred&cdPage=#CustomerDiscussionsNRPB

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  18. Giles Martin,George Martin's son who recently remastered The Beatles 1964 and 1965 Live At The Hollywood Bowl concerts rightfully says on All Songs Considered when people ask him if The Beatles were a good live band,he says they were a great live band and he mention the very limited,primitive sound systems they had back then,and says how great The Beatles played live in the studio on their first 3 or 4 albums,and that they all played their instruments very good.














    He obviously means they played these first several albums live because they didn't even have any overdubbing until 1965 so they had to play and record those albums live.And their first albums before the great A Hard Day's Night album were recorded on only 2 track tape,they had 4 track by A Hard Day's Night and only 8 track for The White album,Let It Be and Abbey Road.










    By the time they recorded and played live their first album Please please Me recorded in only in one day in February 1963,they had 1000's of hours of live playing experience playing 8 hours a night from 1960-1962 in the sleazy strip clubs in Hamburg Germany and had to take speed pills to stay awake to do it,and John Lennon said every song was 20 minutes long,and had 20 minute solos in it. Then they played successfully live in the Liverpool Cavern Club for years before they made the Please Please Me album.





























    http://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2016/08/25/491201322/all-songs-1-the-beatles-are-live-and-sounding-better-than-ever












































    All Songs +1: The Beatles Are Live And Sounding Better Than Ever














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    The Beatles were a great live band, but only three of their shows were ever professionally recorded. Now new technology takes those shows from The Hollywood Bowl and makes them sound better than ever.

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  19. Brian Epstein and George Martin were both very lucky to meet The Beatles and to have them,especially John Lennon and Paul McCartney as their employees,it was like they discovered gold or won the lottery twice and in a way three times with George Harrison too.George Martin had moderate success as a producer of mostly comedy albums before he became The Beatles producer,and he never had nearly as much success before and after producing them even though he went on to produce many other music artists. But he said that he never has known and worked with anyone as brilliant as The Beatles,especially John and Paul.








    And the truth is, if Brian Epstein hadn't had the good luck of becoming their manager he would have remained a record store manager that no one ever heard of and George Martin never would have been as known and successful either.I'm sure that some other manager and producer would eventually discover John and Paul and probably George sooner or later because they were just too extremely unusually musically talented music artists for them not to be.

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  20. Ken who runs The Rolling Stones,John Lennon and
    Keno's Classic Rock n Roll site say in his great 2017 review of The Beatles first album Please Please Me,that they were different from any other bands and music artists before them because they wrote,sang and played their own songs and before them music groups had professional song writers writing songs for them,he said John and Paul not only wrote great songs on please Please Me,but that John and Paul were both great lead singers who couldn't be beat at the time,and that they were on their way to becoming the greatest rock and roll band ever.






    He also said that the album had rock and pop songs and that it starts with Paul's I Saw Her Standing There which he calls pure rock and roll,and he said John's vocal on Twist And Shout,(which John sang so great with a bad sore throat from a bad cold) was hard rock before any hard rock was being done.





    http://www.keno.org/classic_rock/album_reviews/please_please_me.htm

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  21. In this All Music Guide review of The Beatles 1963 second album,With The Beatles Stephen Thomas Erlewine who wrote The All Music Guide's Rolling Stones biography,and reviews a lot of Beatles and solo Beatles albums, says at the end of the very good review that still the heart of With The Beatles lies not in the covers but the originals where it was clear that even at this early stage The Beatles were rapidly maturing and changing turning into expert craftsman and musical innovators.









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    With the Beatles - The Beatles Songs, Reviews, Credits AllMusic






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    Find album reviews, stream songs, credits and award information for With the Beatles - The Beatles on AllMusic - 1963 - With the Beatles is a sequel of the highest order.

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  22. Paul McCartney is the Mozart of rock and he really was born this way because he inherited his father Jim McCartney's and Jim's father's natural music talent,to a rare ridiculous extreme degree. Paul's father Jim taught himself how to play the piano at age 14,and he broke an ear drum at the age of 10 so he was deaf in one ear,and he went on to become a classical jazz pianist and the leader of his own jazz band Jim Mac's Band who were popular in clubs in Liverpool. His father even wrote an instrumental song called,walking In The Park With Eloise which Paul recorded with the name The Country Hams in 1974 and included this song on their 1976 Wings album,Wings At The Speed Of Sound.





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    But his father and grandfather weren't poets,they were naturally musically talented and Paul has always been more of a *music genius* than a lyric genius even though he can and has written very good lyrics,but he doesn't have to.And even when he did it's his *music* that is what is so great about his songs and albums.








    Paul taught himself to play guitar and wrote his first song at age 14 in 1956 when it was rare for adult famous successful solo acts and rock n roll bands to be doing this most of them had professional song writers writing for them.And when Paul met John when he was 15 and John was 16 almost 17,he was really impressed that Paul was already writing his own songs.Paul wrote the very pretty acoustic song I'll Follow The Sun at only age 16.









    John had written a lot of heavy poetry and drew drawings as a kid but he wasn't putting his writing to music yet until he met Paul and he was inspired to start writing his own songs,and thankfully they both never stopped from then on.
















    Paul's father's father,also played brass and other instruments in a band and was a good singer with a good singing voice so that must be where also got his once great singing voice for rock,love songs and everything in between. Paul has been in The Guinness Book Of World Records since 1979 as the most successful song writer of all time,Paul was also given an honorary doctorate in music from Sussex University in 1988,and another one from Yale University in 2008.

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  23. Paul's 1975 Venus & Mars Wings album is a great rock album and out of the majority of great reviews on amazon.com it gets a well deserved 5 stars out of over 100 reviews for this album. This is one of the *GREATEST* solo/Wings Paul albums he ever did! It's great and it's Beatles quality because every song is very good & if anyone wants to know what a true music genius Paul really is,just listen to the *music* in the great Letting Go.










    My mother only liked classical music,Beethoven,Bach & Mozart,no rock & she played their music on the piano.When I was playing this album and she came into the room when Letting Go was on,she asked me is that Paul McCartney and I said yes and she said Oh that music is brilliant,he's a music genius like Beethoven! My mother was also a talented artist who sculpted,and drew with charcoal pencils and pastels, and she even sold some of her sculptures at a few local galleries.She said she now loved most of The Beatles music and said they were brilliant.









    And my sister who is 4 years older than me and had a big diverse music collection since she was a mid teen,bought Venus and Mars when it came out,and I remember listening to it with her,and her friend and my best friend and we all loved it. My sister still says years later that Venus and Mars is one of the best rock albums she ever heard and that it's unique and she knows no album like it.








    She always said his 1971 Ram album was a very good album too,although I like this album much better and I really don't understand all of the love everywhere for his Ram album I think it only has 3 great songs on it, the great rocker Too Many People,Uncle Albert and Back Seat of My Car. Paul's best post Beatles sounding music was from 1970-1975,with this being his last true great album.After this he wrote some good music but he never wrote the same great quality music again for some reason.







    His first solo album McCartney where he played every instrument by himself (and he played them all great) is very good,Red Rose Speedway and Band On The Run are very good albums too,and he produced all of these great albums by himself and co-arranged the music on Venus and Mars by himself.







    And it was Paul who wrote a lot of rock including hard rock in the 1970's not John and George (no knock on them though) and most of it was great,










































































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  24. John Lennon wrote arranged,and produced this gorgeous song,Number 9 Dream on his very good 1974 solo album walls And Bridges,and he produced and arranged the whole album by himself.





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  25. In this very good 2009 BBC special documentary,The Beatles On Record,George Martin says in it that The Beatles became great song writers from 1963's song From Me To You onwards.


    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2sr3x5

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  26. Here is a really good July 1976 Rolling Stone Magazine interview with George Martin in which he's asked about George Harrison who he says is talented and that he wanted to be like John and Paul but John and Paul are so enormously talented that it was silly to look elsewhere.But it's obvious George Harrison was even more talented as a song writer and guitarist than most people realize because in this same interview George Martin says that he didn't give George much encouragement he just tolerated him.And of course John and Paul didn't give him much encouragement either,so he did mostly everything on his own.


















    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/george-martin-recalls-the-boys-in-the-band-19760715?page=2#comments

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